This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. I wanted to get out of there.. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! And the obvious answer is not as you claim.
Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of Conflicting versions. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around.
Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? 2023 FOX Television Stations, Rockwall-Heath coach resigns after school workout investigation, Things to do this weekend in Dallas-Fort Worth: March 3-5, Dallas 14, 15-year-olds charged with murder, Prosper man who shot neighbor's pit bull will not face charges, Watch: New video from Hubble space telescope captures asteroid-smashing debris from successful DART mission, New street drug 'tranq dope,' rots skin, turns humans into 'zombies', 3 children killed, 2 hurt in Italy, Texas, Biden has cancerous skin lesion removed from chest, doctor says, Severe weather video and photos from around North Texas, Suspected North Texas scented candle thieves allegedly stole $27,774 worth of items. Allen and Patricia Prue were arrested two days after Jenkins' death.
There are innocent people in prison. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Shes being well taken care of.. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. It cost me a lot of money, I even put advertisements in the paper down in Puerto Rico looking for her.. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Thanks for contacting us. It was just assumed to be crib death. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Lie detectors are pseudo science. SHAME ON THEM. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? No show. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised.
Patricia The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. I think shes guilty for sure.
Patricia And Mark McCloskey Who Waved Guns At BLM Protesters Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania.
Patricia Giddings pleads not guilty And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. This is the most ridiculous take ever! [emailprotected]. Then you claim this is an opinion. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following.
Said Guilty Nine. Just one example. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. He was happy. Patricia is a evil monster. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Look into it. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. in journalism from the University of Southern California. What definition? Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Thats all for this post. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Have you read the book? Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments.
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HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Whatever the truth is. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. How would an intruder find it? Its barely visible in the picture. Why not question some of this evidence? At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Police slowly built a case against Patricia.
Mark and Patricia McCloskey Patricia SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. And I have absolutely no sympathy. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! More hairs there. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Book her.
Said I dont think so. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole.
Patricia Rorrer Forensic Files Now But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Dial-a-problem. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. She embraced spontaneity and diligence. Or did they? Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? She held up pictures of her dead daughters. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. I dont think so. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? None. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? (A good point. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. (Ross Township Police Department). There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. It's been a long three years for them.". The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. We've received your submission. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene.
guilty Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Jealousy was the motive. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Patricia "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Great catch. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 What a lame article. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Not everything is a conspiracy. Hoist by your own petard. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994.
Patricia I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away.
Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Ms. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Omg so well put! She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. They broke up in 1993. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there.