The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. . "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. . I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. The Hide Armory. You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Thats SIGs term for a recall. Wont last!. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. That took a lot. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. It was expensive. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. (unless theyre SWAT or something). . I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Funny how that works. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. These officers are not gunfighters. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. And thats just my opinion. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. It did not originally have this. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! You arent a gunfighter, either. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. 00:03. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. The new guy sucks. Period. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. 1:07. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. how do I get one for my P320? The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. . I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces.
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